[There's an awkward question to answer, and Victor's not sure he wants to answer it publicly with the exact truth, so there's another pause on his end of the conversation too, and some very carefully worded sentences.]

Not in the end, no. Me and my friends were fighting him, but he kicked our asses hard. Someone else stepped in and took him apart.

[He shrugs.]

I wanted to, at the time. Not sure I would now, but he's the kind of guy who doesn't stay down so I might find out one day.