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Spencer Reid ([personal profile] polyhistor) wrote in [community profile] tushanshu2013-02-06 08:10 am

[video || cafe post || action?]

[Reid hates technology. No, he really, genuinely does. Computers don't move fast enough to keep up with him, and he has a long-established love of hard copies where literature is concerned. But the fact of the matter is, there are very few books here. So here he is, seated at a console, half a dozen of the local books he could find stacked beside him and several empty coffee cups as well. Recently, he's taken to drinking green tea, but a lapse in that particular habit seems appropriate considering his surroundings.]

 You know, the terminology relating to a meta or 'multiverse' was originally coined by William James, a philosopher and psychologist in the late nineteen hundreds. His paper, titled 'Is Life Worth Living?' was published in the 1985 October Edition of the International Journal of Ethics. He postulated that, with the decline of social religion all 'visible' nature (that is to say, everything we see and experience) is in and of itself a 'moral' multiverse as opposed to being a moral 'universe'. He was referring to the visible nature of the world - good existing alongside evil, with every imaginable shade in between. Each nuance of the world then became in and of itself a 'multiverse' in James' ideal.

 The neologism didn't actually enter into common vernacular until much later and under a drastically different context, but the concept of other worlds or parallel universes - what we today call a 'multiverse' - has actually been around for centuries, generally tied to religious philosophies of the time. Muslim theologian al-Ghazālī believed that it was not only possible but highly probable. His extrapolation was that that Earth was the best of all possible worlds and that humans occupied it as a form of divine right, stating that 'there is in possibility nothing more wondrous than what is'.

[a brief pause, because... he's generally not used to speaking so long without interruption.]

 Essentially, the concept of a 'life, death or dreaming' state faintly echoes several Buddhist or Hindu philosophies, though equally suggestive of liminality. The continual repetition of that 'life/death/dreaming' theme represents a trinity; three is often considered a holy number in any number of doctrines. Three also represents the body (life), the soul (death) and the spirit (dreaming). And then, the fact that there are five districts also reinforces the ties to numerology. If you go by the numerical value of the Hebrew letter 'He' or 'five' it symbolizes the universal life, the breath of man, the air, the spirit and the soul.

 Oh-- right, liminality. Liminality was another word coined in the same philosophical era as William James' 'multiverse' by Arnold Vann Gennep in his 1908 paper Rites de Passage. It's from the Latin līmen which means 'threshold' and it's a word used to describe the transitionary phase during a ritualistic transformation, during which the participant's own identity is considered to be void until the process is complete and the individual can be reborn. It's almost a contract – during this process you forsake your identity, your sense of self, your titles and earthly possessions all for the sake of a form of theoretical transcendental enlightenment. It's this fluidity of self that enables change and dissolution of old habits or customs to make way for the new. It's not limited to an individual, either; it can be applied to groups of people – such as a graduating highschool class – or to societies and cultures as a whole and I believe it's what we're technically undergoing now.

 Liminality is considered a tripartite structure, and each segment of that structure is as follows: preliminal rites, or rites of separation. This stage involves a metaphorical 'death' undergone by the initiand. They're essentially forced to leave something behind by breaking away from previous practices and routines, or by, say, coming to Keeliai.

 The liminal rites – or transitionary rites – involve the creation of a sort of... tabula rasa, a blank slate, through the removal of limits and forms previously taken for granted. There are two primary characteristics to this stage of the rite, first: the rite 'must follow a strictly prescribed sequence, where everybody knows what to do and how'. Because this rite is a fundamental deconstruction of the self and self-held values, it's meant quite literally to mirror the act of walking over a threshold between two worlds.

 The postliminal rites, or 'rites of incorporation' are the third and final sequence. During this stage, the initiand is re-incorporated into society, essentially born again as a 'new' being.

[CRICKETS. CRICKETS ARE CHIRPING IN THE BACKGROUND, REID. He awkwardly clears his throat.]

 All... right so... um, hi. I'm Doctor Spencer Reid. Any questions...?

[for those of you who didn't turn the console off ten seconds into his impromptu lecture??


 ooc; also: a permissions post.]
controlledvariable: (PB >> never let your guard down)

[personal profile] controlledvariable 2013-02-06 05:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I can still be sorry about the situation.

[Don't be difficult, Reid.

Him apparently being allowed to carry a gun has made her slightly less concerned about it, although she hasn't really relaxed because... he's a cop. Even if behavioural analyists in the FBI are quite different from a regular police officer, she'll never be good with cops.

Still, the way he describes the BAU earns a smile - "we catch the bad guys" - though it turns sympathetic after a second.]


That must be a really depressing job. [She deals with serial killers enough to know how awful it is.]
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[personal profile] virginprice 2013-02-06 05:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I thought you might have trouble with the language. I don't see anything familiar in it at all, which makes it much more difficult to learn- without a reference point... [He shrugs.]

I am sure there are those who would like to learn it if you make any progress.
virginprice: (breathless)

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[personal profile] virginprice 2013-02-06 05:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I apologize, I'm not familiar with the reference. [Not much he can do about being from a totally different culture.]

I'm sure there are a great many who would appreciate it.
controlledvariable: (civvies -- it's nearly time)

[personal profile] controlledvariable 2013-02-06 05:26 pm (UTC)(link)
[He gets a bit of a look at the claim he could do any job in the world, but it doesn't sound like he's just bragging for ego's sake, so either he could do anything, or he at least genuinely believes he could.

Which means he could do something entirely self-serving and live a comfortable life but he works for the FBI catching bad guys. He's probably a good person.]


That's good. I mean - it seems like you're happy with your job, and I think I've met all of five people in my life who are. [It's something between a joke and genuine, most people don't enjoy what they do, but she's still exaggerating a little. She's probably met ten people who are happy with their jobs.

And she's not sure what to make of him. So, more jokes:]
Except now you're stuck on a giant turtle with no serial killers to catch. I hope you don't get too bored.
virginprice: (hair up)

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[personal profile] virginprice 2013-02-06 05:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, it is Menekhetan. [He knows that because of the Ptolemy.] Yes, their picture-writing is not easy for others to learn- I think they do use Hellene mostly now, and I've been told that is similar to Greek.

[He doesn't mind! It's all quite fascinating.]
controlledvariable: (PB >> that should be left unsaid)

[personal profile] controlledvariable 2013-02-06 06:01 pm (UTC)(link)
[Holy crap, he's got a good memory if he can casually bring up the results from a poll like that. She looks impressed, but she's not going to make a fuss of it. Babs has eidetic memory, after all, so it's not something entirely new to her]

I don't think I trust American profesionals.

[She's just going to keep making jokes even if he doesn't get them, MAYBE ONE OF THEM WILL WORK. But really, she doubts many polls are actually accurate, even if it's anonymous, people lie to themselves all the time. Especially about whether they're happy.]

It's boring enough that I'm actually starting to miss college. [Not a joke! She does miss college, and talking to someone so smart is just remindering her of that.] But I suppose someone who could do any job in the world will find a way to keep themselves occupied.

[She probably shouldn't tease someone she barely knows, but she can't help it. And he's kinda sorta an authority figure, which just makes her need to poke fun at him even more.]
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[personal profile] philosophe 2013-02-06 06:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I have considered that it is perhaps a purgatory, as the Catholics say. But it is akin to no purgatory I have yet read of.
controlledvariable: (PB >> and just say it as i saw)

[personal profile] controlledvariable 2013-02-06 06:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Should it not?

[She's not answering that one properly because it would be a "yes" and she feels a little bad about that. It's not his fault she doesn't trust anyone involved with the police.

Okay.

She's legitimately speechless, unable to decide exactly how she should feel about everything he's just said. He's a behavioural analyst, though she didn't realize they were that good at analysing behaviour, and she didn't exactly expect him to do it to her.

Which was probably a mistake on her part, since people like that can't really switch off, in her experience.

She tenses a little, but the way he said it - she thinks he's trying to get her back for commenting on how he could do anything? - keeps her from freaking out too much. It takes her a little longer than it probably should, but she shakes her head, managing a bit of a laugh.]


I guess I don't have to worry about introducing myself, then. [Since Reid has apparently gone through the network. And she'e just. going to skip straight onto addressing his other comment rather than dwelling on the fact he picked most of her college subjects.]

We've been working on that for a while, with mixed results. How are you finding it?
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[personal profile] virginprice 2013-02-06 06:38 pm (UTC)(link)
That is what I've concluded- perhaps there are other conclusions to be reached, but as strange as it is I think it may be the simplest one. [And he may not be familiar with the term Occam's Razor, but he knows the concept.]
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[personal profile] poeticverses 2013-02-06 06:50 pm (UTC)(link)
[Oh. Combeferre, he found you a friend! Jehan smiles a bit, shy]

That was very interesting, as well as much more enlightening than anything the kedan have said regarding what, exactly, this city is. Are you a philosopher, Doctor?
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[personal profile] excessivehubris 2013-02-06 07:04 pm (UTC)(link)
[Oh but every bit of that was absolutely engaging and Charles listening with rapt attention to the whole of it before opening a line of communication.]

An absolutely brilliant discourse on a psychological approach to our current situation! Though I read Vann Gennep's work it has been quite a few years since I've done so and I had not thought to apply it to our current situation.

I fear I was working from a more theoretical quantum physic's angle using Schrodinger's theories of superposition and wavefunction.

[It was nice, at times, to be distracted by the ideas of the academic and theoretic.]
aloadeddie: (kick him!)

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[personal profile] aloadeddie 2013-02-06 07:05 pm (UTC)(link)
This is definitely a refreshing change from the usual 'what am I doing here' post, if a little long.

It's been a while since I read up on liminality but the point of most liminal rituals is to metaphorically transform the ones who go through them, right? Is that what you think is happening here, then? That we're not just supposed to "help" in some capacity, but that we're also expected to somehow alter ourselves?

Also, can I ask what it is you're a doctor of?
controlledvariable: (PB >> to walk away from something)

[personal profile] controlledvariable 2013-02-06 07:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I've met you.

[She's had brief contact with others before, but that was mostly as a vigilante and brief really does cover it. It isn't as if she was working cases that were important enough to drag the FBI into it, she mostly deals with detectives. (She wonders, idly, if the people who told her that her dad was dead were FBI, but that seems unlikely).

As for the apology, she shrugs and gives him a smile, a little rueful, but genuine.]


Don't worry about it.

[Partly because a regular college student probably shouldn't care so much about someone profiling them, but also because, well, she can easily believe it is habit. And she's used to Bruce.

And despite everything, she does lean forward a little to look at the book he's gesturing to, peering at the page. Languages aren't her forte, so she's left the deciphering of it to people like Damian and Bruce, but it's still interesting.]


The six different pronouns would explain why the auto-translate can't seem to settle on one for my boss. [She looks over at Reid, expression wry.] You should ask around on the network when you get the chance, there are people who are a lot better with languages than I am who could probably help.

[It's almost apologetic. Sorry she's can't be of more help, Reid.]

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