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Spencer Reid ([personal profile] polyhistor) wrote in [community profile] tushanshu2013-02-06 08:10 am

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[Reid hates technology. No, he really, genuinely does. Computers don't move fast enough to keep up with him, and he has a long-established love of hard copies where literature is concerned. But the fact of the matter is, there are very few books here. So here he is, seated at a console, half a dozen of the local books he could find stacked beside him and several empty coffee cups as well. Recently, he's taken to drinking green tea, but a lapse in that particular habit seems appropriate considering his surroundings.]

 You know, the terminology relating to a meta or 'multiverse' was originally coined by William James, a philosopher and psychologist in the late nineteen hundreds. His paper, titled 'Is Life Worth Living?' was published in the 1985 October Edition of the International Journal of Ethics. He postulated that, with the decline of social religion all 'visible' nature (that is to say, everything we see and experience) is in and of itself a 'moral' multiverse as opposed to being a moral 'universe'. He was referring to the visible nature of the world - good existing alongside evil, with every imaginable shade in between. Each nuance of the world then became in and of itself a 'multiverse' in James' ideal.

 The neologism didn't actually enter into common vernacular until much later and under a drastically different context, but the concept of other worlds or parallel universes - what we today call a 'multiverse' - has actually been around for centuries, generally tied to religious philosophies of the time. Muslim theologian al-Ghazālī believed that it was not only possible but highly probable. His extrapolation was that that Earth was the best of all possible worlds and that humans occupied it as a form of divine right, stating that 'there is in possibility nothing more wondrous than what is'.

[a brief pause, because... he's generally not used to speaking so long without interruption.]

 Essentially, the concept of a 'life, death or dreaming' state faintly echoes several Buddhist or Hindu philosophies, though equally suggestive of liminality. The continual repetition of that 'life/death/dreaming' theme represents a trinity; three is often considered a holy number in any number of doctrines. Three also represents the body (life), the soul (death) and the spirit (dreaming). And then, the fact that there are five districts also reinforces the ties to numerology. If you go by the numerical value of the Hebrew letter 'He' or 'five' it symbolizes the universal life, the breath of man, the air, the spirit and the soul.

 Oh-- right, liminality. Liminality was another word coined in the same philosophical era as William James' 'multiverse' by Arnold Vann Gennep in his 1908 paper Rites de Passage. It's from the Latin līmen which means 'threshold' and it's a word used to describe the transitionary phase during a ritualistic transformation, during which the participant's own identity is considered to be void until the process is complete and the individual can be reborn. It's almost a contract – during this process you forsake your identity, your sense of self, your titles and earthly possessions all for the sake of a form of theoretical transcendental enlightenment. It's this fluidity of self that enables change and dissolution of old habits or customs to make way for the new. It's not limited to an individual, either; it can be applied to groups of people – such as a graduating highschool class – or to societies and cultures as a whole and I believe it's what we're technically undergoing now.

 Liminality is considered a tripartite structure, and each segment of that structure is as follows: preliminal rites, or rites of separation. This stage involves a metaphorical 'death' undergone by the initiand. They're essentially forced to leave something behind by breaking away from previous practices and routines, or by, say, coming to Keeliai.

 The liminal rites – or transitionary rites – involve the creation of a sort of... tabula rasa, a blank slate, through the removal of limits and forms previously taken for granted. There are two primary characteristics to this stage of the rite, first: the rite 'must follow a strictly prescribed sequence, where everybody knows what to do and how'. Because this rite is a fundamental deconstruction of the self and self-held values, it's meant quite literally to mirror the act of walking over a threshold between two worlds.

 The postliminal rites, or 'rites of incorporation' are the third and final sequence. During this stage, the initiand is re-incorporated into society, essentially born again as a 'new' being.

[CRICKETS. CRICKETS ARE CHIRPING IN THE BACKGROUND, REID. He awkwardly clears his throat.]

 All... right so... um, hi. I'm Doctor Spencer Reid. Any questions...?

[for those of you who didn't turn the console off ten seconds into his impromptu lecture??


 ooc; also: a permissions post.]
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[personal profile] demon_brat 2013-02-06 03:33 pm (UTC)(link)
So where does analysis fall, in that structure?

[Damian likes this one. Actually likes him. He didn't make an unprepared, uneducated blurt out to the network, and the statement - long as it is - is reasonable, and sheds interesting light on the situation, here.]

And which stage of this place is the one where everybody knows what to do at?

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[Once a day she heads to a console cafe to check if there are any posts that need a response from Batgirl, and she happens to be curled up in front of one of the consoles when Reid comes in. She pays a little more attention than she usually would, because she doesn't recognise him, but the last couple weeks have left her a little reluctant for, well, people, so she doesn't say anything at first.

So she's half listening in on the impromptu lecture, her expression growing more and more bemused by the second. After he's finally finished - and she waits a few extra seconds to make sure he really is done - she picks up her coffee, wanders over, and casually sits down in the seat beside him.]


What on Earth are you a doctor of?

[After all that, she's curious.]

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[personal profile] wilsooon 2013-02-06 03:39 pm (UTC)(link)
[Holy shit, Reid, you're like a high-octane version of Felicity.]

Did I sign up for a web seminar? That wasn't in the kidnapping terms and conditions.
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[Ororo puts up her hand, though the action is more sarcasm than sincere.]

When'd I die and go to college hell?

[Because this sure sounds like a lecture.]
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[Alcuin listens with interest to the whole lecture, chin resting on his hand as he absorbs the complicated concepts. He is not just a pretty face, after all.]

You've thought a great deal about this, Doctor Reid. Have you been here long?

[aka the mun is sick and not up to academic discussions]

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[personal profile] philosophe 2013-02-06 06:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I have considered that it is perhaps a purgatory, as the Catholics say. But it is akin to no purgatory I have yet read of.

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[personal profile] poeticverses 2013-02-06 06:50 pm (UTC)(link)
[Oh. Combeferre, he found you a friend! Jehan smiles a bit, shy]

That was very interesting, as well as much more enlightening than anything the kedan have said regarding what, exactly, this city is. Are you a philosopher, Doctor?

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[Oh but every bit of that was absolutely engaging and Charles listening with rapt attention to the whole of it before opening a line of communication.]

An absolutely brilliant discourse on a psychological approach to our current situation! Though I read Vann Gennep's work it has been quite a few years since I've done so and I had not thought to apply it to our current situation.

I fear I was working from a more theoretical quantum physic's angle using Schrodinger's theories of superposition and wavefunction.

[It was nice, at times, to be distracted by the ideas of the academic and theoretic.]

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This is definitely a refreshing change from the usual 'what am I doing here' post, if a little long.

It's been a while since I read up on liminality but the point of most liminal rituals is to metaphorically transform the ones who go through them, right? Is that what you think is happening here, then? That we're not just supposed to "help" in some capacity, but that we're also expected to somehow alter ourselves?

Also, can I ask what it is you're a doctor of?

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tactile_telekinesis: Made by <user name="nebulosities"> ([90's] And your point is?)

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[He's jerked his head up after he hits the reply and trails a snore off with a snort and shakes his head.]

I thought Rob went on a lot at times.

Nice intro there, Doc. Do they usually go so well?

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[personal profile] wholenewstory 2013-02-06 07:36 pm (UTC)(link)
[Head...tilt.]

That was - a lot of words.

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Turner's hypothesis on permanent liminality was significantly elaborated on by Arpad Szakolczai, particularly in Reflexive Historical Sociology. The idea that a liminal state may become "fixed" when the person or persons in question don't integrate into the projected phases because fail to acknowledge either consciously or subconsciously that the conditions for each phase have been met.

That being said, if any of the three examples outlined by Szakolczai were relevant here, it'd be the closest to Bolshevism.

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[Enjolras listens intently, and even plays the recording again once it is done as he's not altogether familiar with some of the words or concepts here. He's curious as to what time this man is from, but first he has a question-]

In regards to liminality, excepting our present circumstances, is the forsaking of identity and possession a literal undertaking or a metaphorical one? I do not believe anything can be denied in reality if it is not cast aside for good.

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Well.

[ stare ]

You seem to be settling in well.

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That... is... probably the longest introduction I've ever seen in this place. Or anyone else, really.

[Clark over here sounds really amused.]

I'm Clark Kent, it's really nice to meet you Dr Reid.

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You must not get out much.

[There's no malice in Kyle's teasing, he's curious. He's also waiting for a more definite point to all... that.]

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[yeah no, he sits through about 4 seconds of this and then switches it straight off.]
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[personal profile] bothbarrels 2013-02-07 01:55 am (UTC)(link)
Are these philosophies things you agree with, or just subjects or curiosity?

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[personal profile] tangentdarko 2013-02-07 02:37 am (UTC)(link)
Wow, that sounds a lot like The Philosophy of Time Travel. Did you ever read it? It's by Roberta Sparrow.

She talked about how a hole can be ripped in the Primary Universe if the right conditions are met and the result will be a Tangent Universe. It's fragile and the Living Receiver and the Manipulated Dead and everyone will all work toward restoring the Primary Universe and I think that's why I saw the liquid spears coming out of peoples' chests and telling me where they would be. Because even time wanted to be returned to where it was, because there were only 28 days to fix it.

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So we basically could just be stuck in our own version of 'The Twilight Zone'?

[ which yeah, okay, was a somewhat ridiculous example for her to use – she knows that. but she was more concerned about hiding her surprise then anything

(should projections even know these sorts of thing)]

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[ Cobb's next to Reid--or as relatively close as the tables allow. And right now? He's sticking out out as a sore thumb. He's going to reach out, politely put a hand on the other's desk to get his attention. ]

University student before this?

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[ Astrid's voice is remarkably flat, and she speaks with an odd cadance. Reid would probably peg her for being on the Autism spectrum or something similar with little difficulty. ] I am not well-versed in philosophy but the idea of multiple universes is a scientific fact, and if universes are sufficiently close in ways that I am not knowledgeable enough to speak on as it involves particle physics not to mention a sufficient technological expertise, it is possible to cross between them.

Generally speaking it is difficult and not only does significant damage to the universes in question, but also to the makeup of the people or technology crossing over, but it has been done.

...My name is Astrid Farnsworth what is your doctorate in?

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Hello Doctor Reed. My name is Pepper Potts and I see that you've got things figured out pretty well. If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask. However I have a question for you. How well do you know Chinese folklore and history?

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Provide a warning, on the occasion that you're in the mood to prattle, worm. I fear I shall go deaf in an hour's time.

[ All this, to say nothing of the mechanics of the 4D universe? Of the the fact that the entire existence, as he was told, was nothing but a play-toy, a collection of artificial thoughts, feelings, and memories? That which transcended the deletion of the source data, and had countless theological ramifications for centuries to come?

Theories, even learned ones, were no better than the blind stock in Gods.
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I was under the impression that even doctors like you had an aversion for dogma. Perhaps I was mistaken.

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[Tony's leaned back in his chair, boots kicked up on the console's edge as JARVIS runs the probabilities on a few hundred stress scenarios for the next Mark armour design. Two cups of coffee steam idly to the left and a glass with ice and the traces of his favourite Keeliai liquor rests at the right, but he? He's watching the screen with, well. Interest. (Sorry, Reid.)

Finally, someone that speaks English. Barely, compared to the eloquence of Dr. Banner, but it's heads and shoulders above the white noise that bumbles its way around the network. That all is comprehensible and even a little fun, but it's hardly challenging.

He digests the minor dissertation, then leans forward -- in the same motion pulling his boots off the desk to thump on the floor.]


An interesting discourse, but don't tell me that you've forgotten the Everett interpretation? [He cants his head to the side.] MW1? Literally everything is possible under that interpretation and it all exists at once for convenient cross-versal conventions like this one.

[A pause.] How about Tegmark? He was a numerophile, sure, but his theory also goes for the kind of infinite possibilities that explains walking lightning rods and regular Joes in one place.

They're a little more -- [A cough and a dismissive wave of his hand.] -- grounded. Realistic. Verifiable. And, excepting the whole laughed-out-of-psychics deal Everett faced when no one else wanted to play the Phenomenal Scientific Breakthrough game, they're respectable multi-versal theories.

[He shrugs his shoulders and takes a sip of coffee.]

They also, ah, explain the whole bit where if you pinch us, we doth hurt. It's a bit more physical than emotions, rites, and that whole psychological aspect that James threw at us. [Because Tony doesn't much think of himself as a phase or thought, thx. He's way too big for that.]

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